It Had To Be Done
By: JSkills	Published: 06/02/2001
It was either this or turn off the site, so that when you typed in www.goofball.com your browser wouldn't just sit there and spin away, endlessly going nowhere in a frustrating grind. Or worse still, you could type in www.goofball.com and it could go somewhere else, like the vulture company who buys our domain name in a dot-com fire sale and points all of our former community to some online casino or something. We thought that asking for a nominal membership fee would be better than that. To backtrack a little, Goofball.com has been part of a pretty interesting ride since its humble beginnings in October 1998. Yes, I'm sure some of you have heard this story before, so please feel free to skip down a few paragraphs if you like. But for those of you who haven't, I must start out by saying how terribly strange it feels to be at the point where our membership, traffic, and bandwidth has grown to a stage where we have to ask our customers to actually help pay for some of it. Especially the way it all started out - we all have had to work full time jobs while running Goofball.com as a side project. And when I got tired of Robnoxious emailing me all of his silly jokes, pictures, and videos all day at work, I finally asked him a logical question: "Robnoxious, why not throw it all up on a website?" And the domain Goofball.com was originally purchased by Robnoxious along with a $25 per month web hosting account. Here is what it first looked like back in 1998. Shortly after, I got involved and we "officially" launched with the Gentlemen's Glossary, a few jokes, and the classic "100 Grand" audio clip from Opie and Anthony's NY-based radio show. That was it. We were immediately doing hundreds of hits a day. As the months grew, we started adding more sections and by January of 1999, we were doing 10,000 pageviews per day. We were pretty excited. Soon we were approached by an ad company called Teknosurf (now known as Adversting.com). We started running ads for them and we actually started earning money. At the same time, our hosting provider informed us we had to leave their services, since our site was completely monopolizing the shared server we were on and that it wasn't fair to their other customers. "Let's get our own server." And so it was done. We had our very own machine to beat on and so we did. We worked nights and weekends building elaborate database driven tools to allow us (and our users) to pump the site full of great content and let the community feedback drive the quality content to the top. Things grew in a strong and steady fashion. The harder we worked, the more the traffic grew. The server was being pushed to its limits and pages were loading slowly. It seemed we had hit a wall. By January 2000, we were doing 300,000 pageviews a day. The main issue for us was that advertisers kept dropping the site due to content that was "inappropriate." It was the Uncensored Section. I guess if I paid to advertise on the web, I wouldn't want an add for my latest product displayed on the same page as a picture of a guy getting his sack stepped on by a bondage mistress in spiked heels. Luckily, we were approached by a new ad company, Blah-Blah, who had a generous offer for us. And they didn't care about our content in the Uncensored Area. As the money we made in advertising grew, we added high-end servers to our server farm. In May 2000, Goofball was reengineered from the ground up. In addition to a new site design, we wrote a whole new publishing system, all of the underlying software code was rewritten, and it was scaled to run in a decent sized multiple server environment. We also decided to be responsible to those people who have children on the net and require registration for the Uncensored Section. We also were graced by the services our long time friend VirtualJul, who jumped into Goofball head first. Only a short month later, we were informed by Blah-Blah that we would no longer be paid on how many ads we display. We would receive a flat rate regardless of how many ads we ran. This seemed unfair to us. The people at Blah-Blah have always been honest with us, so we were honest and told them we'd be seeking another deal with someone else willing to pay us fairly. We found another company, willing to pay us on the old model. They were called Aka.com. We got the contracts faxed over and we started running their ads. Although we ran them for a couple of months, we received no sign of a check. So in the fall of 2000, when we all went to the InternetWorld conference in the city (New York) , I decided to arrange a meeting with our contacts over at Aka.com. Upon arriving, it was a typical dot.com start up - about 50 desks full of twenty-somethings in a large open room occupying a floor in a Chelsea building. We were greeted immediately by a guy named Randy Weiner (pronounced "weener" or "whiner" - I don't remember). This guy had the biggest shit-licking grin on his face you've ever seen - and it never went away. We gave him and some of his people Goofball t-shirts. We made nice small talk about "Jackass" and "The Tom Green Show." But when asked about our money, we got a story about how they at Aka.com were owed "millions" by Urban Box Office (UBO.com) and how money was tied up. Then he finished it with - "Hey, you'll get paid when we do. What do you think we are, a bank?" When I strongly reminded him that we'd had a contract that specified we be paid on the first of the month and that they owed us in excess of $60,000, he said, "Hey, you'll get paid when we do. What do you think we are, a bank?" It continued that way until we gave up and left. That grin never left his face the whole time we were there. As we walked down onto the street and made our way to the Javitz Center, I couldn't overcome my extreme feelings of dread. We'd given up our guaranteed deal with a decent company like Blah-Blah for this? And then Robnoxious said it, "You know that guy was a real Johnny Fuckface wasn't he?" We were never paid by aka.com (they did this to many people and then promptly filed Chapter 11). Blah-Blah said they'd take us back, but with no guarantee on any payments (whatever that meant). We found another company, Adfinity, who promised to pay us at least enough to cover our costs, but they turned out to be liars as well. The climate was changing. The stock market had been falling since March, but in the late summer - early fall of 2000 - it was simply brutal. And the online ad companies were feeling it the most. This translated into us getting paid very little or nothing while continuing to lay out hosting fees. We returned to Blah-Blah in January 2001 after a few months of burning through the cash we made in early 2000. Our first month back with Blah-Blah paid for 1/6 our server costs. Our traffic was well over 500,000 pageviews a day, we had over 350,000 registered users, we doing close to a terabyte a month in transfer and ironically enough we were starting to talk about either cutting our losses or figuring out how many months we had left to go at this rate. We figured the only thing to do was to ask for membership fees. I hated this for many reasons of course. The first is having to ask sucks, the second is that we'd lose so many nice people, and finally the amount of work was pretty huge on the technical side. But we really had no choice. Many other sites are currently charging for access (and charging a lot more than we are for a lot less than what we offer in my opinion). We have gotten so much positive feedback from our core members and although polls showed that only 11% of you would be willing to pay, we figured it would be better to support that small loyal following than shut the site down in three months. To top it off, Blah Blah was recently purchased by UGO. UGO promptly dropped us for "inappropriate content". That's funny huh? So we now officially have NO steady income from advertising (or any other source for that matter). So tonight's the night to turn the payment system on. The overall cost: $19.99 per year, which equates to about 5 cents per day. Existing members will have a month's grace period to renew with existing usernames and new members will be required to pay. (You can renew now by scrolling back up to the Goofball login box in the left navigation and clicking "Renew My Account" or from the link on your fan page.) Our traffic will certainly drop dramatically, which will allow us to decrease our hosting fees and at the same time maintain the same level of performance we have in the past. "The Internet Should Be Free" Yeah, I used to believe that too. But the fact is that servers cost money to rent. And we're not going to give up without a fight. We all have families and have taken enough time away from them without having to take money from them too. We're not asking for payment for the hours of time we spend bringing you this thing called Goofball.com. We're just asking you to help keep Goofball.com alive and kicking. Thanks to all of you who have made this a great place in the past few years. We'll miss those of you who choose not to stay and promise to cherish those of you who do. Why not join the rest of us on the inside and get all of Goofball.com?
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Too Blue (0 replies) started by golfer1 (08.29.2005 2:53:01 PM EST) What happened to the Too Blue section

Payment (0 replies) started by gazebo (01.20.2005 12:08:13 PM EST) Can you give me a call to arrange payment by phone? 1-403-275-8760. Tom Waller. gazebo, goofball

end gooball (0 replies) started by pascal (04.25.2003 4:00:38 AM EST) How can I stop being a member of Goofball.com?? Goofball.com is cool

oh boy (0 replies) started by obimm (01.02.2003 9:58:10 PM EST) I can`t believe I paid 20 bucks for this obimm

oh boy (0 replies) started by obimm (01.02.2003 9:56:43 PM EST) I can`t believe I paid 20 bucks for this obimm

MEPEG (0 replies) started by 2205 (12.06.2002 9:05:22 AM EST) I cannot access the MEPEG videos on the web site. Can this be fixed? I have recently signed up 2205 Frankjoe. frankmcafee@msn.com Frank Joe

oh please (0 replies) started by mrsme (11.18.2001 2:52:47 PM EST) C'mon. Seriously. If you dont have twenty bucks to pay for ONE YEAR, you must be a liar. If you cant pay for goofball, how can you pay for you computer and ISP? Probably the only people who cant pay are kids. They only want goofball to see free porn. If thats all goofball loses, so be it.

Pay-up or shaddup (0 replies) started by zx29b (10.09.2001 2:58:53 PM EST) I paid three and one-half months ago. The money was a good investment. People, look at this way, I'd rather pay the $20 per year than have the Goofball site filled with a bunch of damned pop-up ads.

trial offer? (1 reply) started by hippie420fusion (09.08.2001 5:50:43 PM EST) i think there should be a trial offer.my bro told me about this site so i paid $20.00 for a sign up fee.i enden up not liking the site at all and wish i could get my money back can i? 3 bucks for a trial offer would have helped please look into this . the media files are tiny and all the other stuff doesnt intrest me thanks cya please refund my $$$ thanks eat,drink,sex,smoke,music,sleep,dreem

If... (0 replies) started by jayteezy (08.13.2001 7:02:07 AM EST) If you bastards shut this site down before i get my 20 bucks worth, there are gonna be some problems Mack. Don't play.

I know there ain't no free lunch (0 replies) started by tpara (08.01.2001 2:16:54 PM EST) Instead of moaning, like some morons, that you won't invite me to the company picnic 'cause everything should be free; I'm willing to pay your modest fee and take my chances. I'm grateful for the time that it was free. I hope you have enough fans with IQ's greater than a corndog who appreciate a place that has a joke to share to brighten the day and help you keep it alive. Good luck, guys. Lif'e too serious to take it seriously, nobody ever got out of it alive.

dont close today (1 reply) started by hairballz (07.18.2001 12:35:35 PM EST) I just subscribed so please dont shut your site till I get my 20 bucks worth! Thanx! stuck in the cats throat!

I paid on my first visit (1 reply) started by madeofmoney (07.15.2001 8:40:23 PM EST) Hi guys, I gotta give credit where it's due and that is Mike Elgan of Mikeslist.com who highly recommended GoofBall.com in his newsletter last week. So I jumped on over here and subscribed hoping that you'd promote my site out of gratitude for my payment! Whatdayasay? http://madeofmoney.com Money Quotes, finance cartoons, banking trivia and dollar related web graphics. It's worth a grin and when was the last time you grinned about money? Mike Banks Valentine http://MadeOfMoney.com Funny Money Collection

New ideas (1 reply) started by lknudson (07.08.2001 5:47:16 PM EST) Why don't you folks who run this site refresh the "Top Goofs" list, and others, every so often. How 'bout once a month? Some things on each list are classic and will never move off without some change in presentation - but they do get old and should be replaced.

Whatever. (0 replies) started by oliveoyl0902 (07.07.2001 0:16:53 AM EST) Twenty bucks is nuthin'. I don't come here much anymore, but this site still kicks ass. Best case scenario, some of the little kids who come here and bitch about their delicate senses being offended will have to take a hike. Blow me down!

$20 - No Problem (1 reply) started by meyersx2 (07.06.2001 2:44:47 PM EST) $20 a month to surf goofball is a steal. I signed on immediately, without hesitation! I visit you everyday and enjoy it all (except the shit eating). Keep going guys, and I hope this turns into a profitable business for you. Tom Meyers A.K.A. Meyersx2 Listen Up!

OK I fessed up (0 replies) started by pyrtwist (06.30.2001 4:17:51 AM EST) I ponied upped the $20 for the site. This is one of my favorite sites and I would hate to see it go. For those of you that do not have credit cards, you can purchase prepaid credit cards, just like phone cards. pyrtwist Viva Goofball

I guess I'm a tight wad. (0 replies) started by sirus (06.29.2001 2:21:26 PM EST) I've been coming to goofball for a couple of years now and I'm sad to see it come to this. With so many free sites out there I can't justify a fee. I think you guys have a great site and I hope it works out for ya.

Goofball (0 replies) started by mrisney (06.27.2001 3:49:16 AM EST) Goofball will never die!!

It might be just worth it. (1 reply) started by zx29b (06.26.2001 2:49:54 PM EST) IMNSHO, Goofball is one of the best sites on the net. It's humor is much like the old National Lampoon magazine. I would be willing to shell-out the $20.00 per year membership. For the people who bitch about the "inapproiate content" should open their eyes and see that that stuff is in the UNCENSORED SECTION. Duuhhh!!!. And we all know the uncensored stuff is password protected. If people can't keep their passwords secret, then why do they even have a computer???.

what about those with bad credit (1 reply) started by botto (06.26.2001 1:00:13 PM EST) I dont have a credit card, haven't had one in years due to my severe abuse of the card. Any other payment options?

Is that in US funds (1 reply) started by beng (06.25.2001 10:49:55 PM EST) Living in the next country up, I'm wondering if that's an american twenty you want, (around 2 canadian twenty's), cause with the cost of a pack of smokes, a case of beer, an ounce of weed and goofball up here, well one would have to go. Well I'm sure you all know that smokes, beer, and weed all go together so, bu-bye Goofball. BF PG, BC, Can

Success? (0 replies) started by lknudson (06.25.2001 11:53:23 AM EST) What percentage of old members are now paying for the new service?

RIGHT idea, WRONG initiation. (1 reply) started by Magumbo (06.25.2001 9:43:46 AM EST) You said you started out as just some fun guys exchanging fun jokes. There should be no charge for such things. Back in the day of BBS's I made and ran one of the east coast's largest BBS's. (Wild-Wild-West BBS) and we had a TON of users, adult sections, etc. I decided to charge a very small price for use. My user base dropped to 2% of what I had. Yes, the net should be free and I personally feel there has to be another and better way. There always is. 20.00 is nothing. Left hand pocket money, but you'll see that users out there just won't take the time to pay when they can get this elsewhere. Oh yes, some will pay. Not many. Not enough... -Magumbo

I'm in! (0 replies) started by bruins34 (06.24.2001 4:30:15 AM EST) Reading the comments above, the ratio appears fairly good. Fair number of people staying = income. Lots of people leaving = decreased bandwidth = decreased overhead. As for all you people out there who are migrating to other sites, think that you're not alone. All the other losers are migrating there as well, driving up the costs of operating THOSE sites. Oh well... Grampa always said: "Never give people advice. Smart people don't need it. Stupid people won't take it." Bruins Goofball's most recent renewed member Ottawa, Ontario Canada

Doh (0 replies) started by avatar (06.24.2001 4:28:02 AM EST) I read all of that and im sorry that it had to happen but i cant afford the 20 bucks budget too tight. anyone know of any other sites anywhere close to goofball?? Avatar!!!

ok (0 replies) started by codes69 (06.23.2001 7:22:54 PM EST) 20 bucks a year? 5 cents a day? Any member who can't pay that doesn't deserve to view this site. This is one of the best sites I have ever been to. With the stupid news, the jokes, the weird porn and the cartoons, this site has all I want out of the internet. Keep it up guys.

God bless us poor people... (0 replies) started by sweetiecheeks777 (06.23.2001 3:58:51 PM EST) Last time I checked...I'm too poor to pay for this shit! Otherwise I would....It's a good site! Remember- cats aren't clean, they're just covered in cat spit.

Count Me In (0 replies) started by hopper (06.23.2001 9:32:52 AM EST) I enjoy Goofball. Thats the long and short of it. I WILL PAY!! Open minded! A lot of sesual desires! Young at heart!

$$ -vs- Quality (1 reply) started by tvalentine (06.22.2001 10:45:53 PM EST) Goofball rules. I don't mind paying $20 for a year but I'm afraid the quality will drop because you won't have as many people submitting stuff. Big-Daddy-T

Hey J... (1 reply) started by conservative (06.22.2001 5:30:31 PM EST) Loved the writeup. USD20 is sweet 'F' all. That equates to NZD40. Translating that into my goofball on-line time means I spent NZD0.04cents per hour. Yep! I can see that putting me into the poorhouse. Thanks Guys for 'Staying open all hours'. Sensational family and friends I've made via this site Ahem! I may even re-register under a different name just to confuse the blondes that visit. LMAO! Cheers ppl :-) Conservative

sorry guys (0 replies) started by ronin2001 (06.22.2001 12:53:22 PM EST) this site is the best thing since sliced porno mags, but i just cant pay for it!! (a) im in ireland, (b) im flat broke (c) im a student (d) im unemployed!!! sorry!! My cat's breath smells of catfood...

Give me a reason! (4 replies) started by biggin848 (06.21.2001 5:53:45 PM EST) Ok, I can afford to pay... but i really need to be motivated to do so i think... My Penis is small but my tongue is quick

PAY?!?!?!?! (0 replies) started by carewser (06.21.2001 4:11:12 PM EST) Goofball......"has grown to a stage where we have to ask our customers to actually help pay for some of it." This is truly a bizarre request JSkills, i mean, how could you POSSIBLY expect the customers of a business to pay for the goods they use/purchase!?!?!?!?! Unfortunately, i am unable to pay regardless of my willingness, which just plain sucks, but it has been MORE than fun while it lasted!

I'LL GLADLY PAY (5 replies) started by jamessidoti (06.21.2001 0:17:06 AM EST) I WOULD LIKE TO SEND YOU A MONEY ORDER FOR $20.00 BUT YOU HAVEN'T PUT YOUR ADDRESS OUT THERE SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO SEND IT TO, DO IT BEFORE JUNE 30TH.PLEASE. THANK YOU

fuck the tight wads (0 replies) started by bgame63 (06.20.2001 7:31:03 PM EST) youll get my 20 to keep going so the rest of you cheap muther fukers go get lost

fuck the tight wads (0 replies) started by bgame63 (06.20.2001 7:05:17 PM EST) youll get my 20 to keep going so the rest of you cheap muther fukers go get lost

As "Run DMC" once said (0 replies) started by misspk (06.19.2001 3:15:16 PM EST) "Give up the dough, give up the dough, give up the dough - There you go there you go, YO!" *wink,giggle,blush*

you ask for money I leave (0 replies) started by dreval (06.19.2001 1:27:27 AM EST) you ask for money, I leave. NUFF SAID

Pearl Harbor (4 replies) started by roger (06.18.2001 9:29:22 PM EST) was really not that good of a movie. Wait for it to come out and video and take the 20 dollars plus that you would have spent at the theater and place it here. Voila. It's all settled then. Now let's get back to goofing. Orgasm Donor

SAD TIMES (0 replies) started by tc2u (06.18.2001 8:38:58 AM EST) Your site is really cool, but being from South Africa and with the exchange rate as it is. I guess I'll just have to chuck the habit n give your site amiss from now on. Thanx for the good times good luck for the future. Cheers n beers for now.

?????????p?????????p (1 reply) started by pectacle (06.17.2001 10:28:32 PM EST) If you lose all of the members that give you stuff, how will you get content for your site. I might pay, but I only come here for the bizarre porno, so you know.

You and Everyone Else (0 replies) started by bigtop (06.17.2001 10:08:35 PM EST) It's unfortunate that I won't be coming back. The site is cool as s#*t. But as your ad friend so eloquently put it 'Do I look like a fucking bank?' I know it's only $20 bucks. Fortunate for me, that's a fart in the wind. But I have so many tele-fuckers and real charities calling me everyday for bread that someones' coming up short. Take care, brush your hair.

"It's only $20.00" (1 reply) started by chuck69 (06.17.2001 1:48:47 AM EST) If you look at it like this; how long does it take for you to make twenty bucks at work? an hour or maybe two? There is "mega" content on this site thats too damn funny to miss over twenty smackers "A YEAR." If you can't afford that or do not have a job then you really can not afford an I.S.P. fee. So quit your whinning and pay the bucks and keep enjoying the cool content of this site.......Chuck69....... it all has something to do with agriculture.......

Bitch and Moan (0 replies) started by stopbobnroll (06.17.2001 1:19:45 AM EST) I think this is bull, not because it's now becoming a pay site, but in reading the responses. If you don't want to pay then don't. Who needs to read who, why and what? Its $20!!! JOEPALZ (6/14/01) in particular, this guy thinks he has it all figured out and he is way off base. Maybe the input made him feel better so he can look at himself in the mirror, I hope so, otherwise get a clue, sorry, a "real job". Apparantly he is making up for something in life. I agree with SUNDEVILDADDY, (6/16/01) goodman!!!!

I guess this marks the end (1 reply) started by johnny5 (06.16.2001 10:53:14 PM EST) Dear Friends, I thank you for all the great years of nude celebrities and other naked people I'kl never get to touch. Thanks to this site I saw my first breast, heard my first orgasim and saw many shaved pussy! But you need money and I can't blam any of you for that so good luck. I have no access to a credit card so this is the end my friends. It's been fun and good luck John F Demling IV

Quit Your Bitchin Pansy Asses!!! (1 reply) started by sundevildaddy (06.16.2001 2:09:06 PM EST) To the peeps that cant find anything better to do that moan and groan like a sideroad whore with a telephone pole up her ass about a measely 20 bucks a year...quit your bitchin you pansy ass cheapskates!.....To the fellowes at Goofball.....as far as your dealings with the ad comps....we all make mistakes and get taken for a ride once in awhile...with how ppl are today..its a fact of life...the only thing you can do is live and learn...I support you guys 150% and as soon as my next paycheck hits, you can count on a subscript from me......if you cant pay for goofball, THEN SAY SO, dont try to act the big bad macho chump and talk shit about or to the guys that have provided a place for you to go to get a laugh, hard on, titty hard on or so-forth and returned time and time again for the enjoyment, just because they ask for a little back for all they have done. Good Luck to you guys!

crock (0 replies) started by jeremyw21 (06.15.2001 5:49:29 PM EST) that is such a crock

goodbye my goofy friend,s (0 replies) started by james1972 (06.15.2001 12:38:10 PM EST) well my friend,s it,s almost the end of the road no more free porn clip,s ,joke,s,oh why oh why , some b**tard,s in these big money making companies to tight to support your good cause and keeping us goofy poeple happy. well maybe some day we will be back all goofing off together,so until we meet again this is james1972 going to have one last look at my favorite section unsensored. So from james1972 in Ireland may the luck of the Irish be with you in the future YOUR,S James1972 james pender

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (0 replies) started by chronicuser (06.15.2001 9:35:54 AM EST) $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if you look at it right.

pay /w check? (1 reply) started by shootsue (06.14.2001 11:40:11 PM EST) is there going to be some way to send money directly to goofball? i don't want my credit card number out there? ilove this site!!!!!! shoot sue

For all the whiners.... (0 replies) started by CherryLne (06.14.2001 5:19:54 PM EST) .....don't let the door hit you in the ass and good luck finding another site where you can bitch and moan about the content!! Hahahaha!! See ya! :o)

The Fan Hits The "SHIT"! (4 replies) started by joepalz (06.14.2001 12:58:33 PM EST) Reality is a mother, isn't it? All you .coms are reaping the rewards of trusting other.coms and you are all finding out that contracts and handshakes and "don't worry, we will send you the check as soon as the girl in the bookkeeping department is back from having her nails done", are nothing but the same hucksters you .coms were trying to avoid. Instead of going to people who had a business record you went to nobodies and now you expect us, the internet users to pay for your stupidity. No fucking way!! If we start paying, every other "free site" will start charging fees. The whole idea of the internet was to have "free info & content". Your plan to charge fees is so against what the internet was meant to be that it is obscene. Take the money you need out of your other pocket or say goodbye and get a real job.

$31.49 Mmmm???? (0 replies) started by wbaker (06.13.2001 10:53:38 PM EST) Well considering exchange is around 1.5743 this is a 50%+ amount for us Canadians. Well at least the whiners will be gone.I don't begrudge those that truly can't afford it though. Looked at my favorites list and Goofball's at the top.Money Order will go out this week guy's. I guess that mean's I'm in.Love the site, hope the quality stay's with less subscribers and less submissions.

Hey... (1 reply) started by smilingcows (06.13.2001 2:07:05 PM EST) We might pay, but how much have you guys made with merchandise? I bought 2 shirts a while back, each costing me $15.00...just a thought, we want to see some numbers here. -Straight from the evil petting zoo-

can not pay (0 replies) started by knarf32 (06.13.2001 1:56:54 PM EST) I would like to pay. but moving into an apartment. It looks like extras like here are going to have to drop me. Why do places like http://www.peek4free.com Does not charge and they are an adult website. You have to keep looking for banners without restrictions. (Stay over a few years with a company you have the right under the "grandfather clause" to keep the old contracts. So It was fun while it lasted but I can not afford it while pay for Rent, AC, Gas for the cars and for cooking. I kew it was a matter of time before everything will not be free. Look at air in the gas station you have to 50 cents. Well I had a great time here. but I will stay until my time is up. Can you or will you ever be free again? Please let me know. thank you. None at the moment.

Grand idea!! (0 replies) started by tundrawolf (06.12.2001 11:46:19 PM EST) For one month, just long enough to get started, have pop-up banner advertisers, put up more click-on banners, or dedicate a page to it and have people go madly clicking down the list, DO SOMETHING WE NEED THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poop-e-cocka

Alas, we bid farewell (0 replies) started by tundrawolf (06.12.2001 11:39:03 PM EST) Goofball, you have been like a brother to me, always there to give me a laugh when I was down. If it all goes badly, then I shall miss thee. It was a hell of a ride... too bad it had to end by you guys getting the shaft from people trying to screw people over. Maybe some other day, some other time. --Adam Poop-e-cocka

Alas, we bid farewell (0 replies) started by tundrawolf (06.12.2001 11:38:13 PM EST) Goofball, you have been like a brother to me, always there to give me a laugh when I was down. If it all goes badly, then I shall miss thee. It was a hell of a ride... too bad it had to end by you guys getting the shaft from people trying to screw people over. Maybe some other day, some other time. --Adam Poop-e-cocka

what's a 20 (0 replies) started by kritter (06.12.2001 8:17:58 PM EST) spent 20 before did not enjoy it do not remember where i spent it count me in

you can do it (0 replies) started by istinkbad (06.12.2001 2:14:00 PM EST) come guys the only reason i liked your sight is you could look at all the porn for free. what a crock

what a bummer... (0 replies) started by LdEdward (06.12.2001 7:59:10 AM EST) Well, in the light of seeing I waste well more than $20 a year on nonsense that I don't need anyway, I would do it. However, I have posted I know of 10 pictures, avi's, nonsense things on this site, and have not seen the first thing. So, in this view, I see this bodes not to well to claim my money for you guys...I have enjoyed the site, but alas, when the site starts charging, I go the way of the dodo...thanks for all the mammories... you could learn alot from a dummy...

Oh well (0 replies) started by LeonardFong (06.11.2001 7:20:32 PM EST) Guy's this was one of the best places you could go on the web for free. I drop in now and then, make a few comments, look around and then off I go. I'd pay I think...good luck. Leonard Fong....Chinese Dutch Uncle

What A Long Strange .... (1 reply) started by maddman (06.11.2001 12:09:07 PM EST) I love this site, and I have been a daily visitor since the beginning. I wish I could afford to stay on, but I can relate to the issues that you guys have been dealing with. Life is a constant retrofit. Best of luck, Maddman

MORE "Gentlemens" (1 reply) started by ajkirkp (06.10.2001 9:35:20 PM EST) If we are going to have to start paying for this, will we get some better "gentlemens" stuff??? I can spend 19.95 for better stuff than what you got here, no offense. Dont get me wrong, i love this site, its just that i dont know about paying for what it when all we--- i mean I......want is the "gentlemens" stuff.

Non USA (1 reply) started by john996 (06.10.2001 8:07:14 PM EST) I don't use credit cards nor am I from anywhere near America. So how do your European visitors pay, or do we not count. If I can send money by some method let me know otherwise best of luck. John

tight asses (0 replies) started by dogshittaco (06.10.2001 7:29:07 PM EST) I can't believe all the whining about 20 f--cking bucks. Are all you yuppie assholes really that cheap that you can't postpone one martini or one rime rib dinner to help out a few guys who are doing something great for those of us who don't have the time or knowledge for, shame on you, shame on you all. I'm with you guys!

A reply would be nice (2 replies) started by supered007 (06.10.2001 5:30:14 PM EST) I did my part....did I waste my $$ ?? Now after I pay I get no d/l's that I have the time to wait for. I enjoy this site, and not because I am wasted either, but I could use a six pack or two waiting for the pic's to arrive. No more monies son untill you improve your grades.

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